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An update of The 5MM Podcast and expansion that includes Dr. Shelley Moore’s expanding Team. The Proud to Be an Outside Pin Podcast will highlight the voices of people on the edges and working to make classrooms, schools and communities more inclusive. What is an Outside Pin? In the game of bowling, the outside pins are the two pins in the outer corners of the formation. To us, being an outside pin means you bring a distinctive perspective and set of experiences that exist on the periphery of established norms. Your unconventional point of view can disrupt thinking in productive ways, inspiring folks to consider new possibilities. It’s about having the courage to stand out, while also maintaining a strong collaborative spirit
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Wednesday Jun 04, 2025
The Cost of Retrofitting: Building a foundation for accessibility
Wednesday Jun 04, 2025
Wednesday Jun 04, 2025
Inclusion for students with disabilities requires more than just presence in the classroom; it requires a thoughtful design of educational experiences that enhance learning outcomes for all students. This concept parallels the architectural process of constructing a building: both require intentional planning and design to ensure accessibility and functionality.
In Dr. Shelley Moore’s Five Moore Minute video, “The Cost of Retrofitting” she highlights the difficulties of modifying existing systems to be inclusive. Retrofitting an educational environment is akin to adding elevators to a building after it has been built, often resulting in costly and insufficient solutions. Instead, we must design inclusivity into our educational frameworks from the outset.
In this podcast episode, Shelley talks to Outside Pin, Emily Mostovoy-Luna, about using a building as a metaphor to think about the steps needed to construct inclusion, that is; community engagement, planning, design, materials, building and maintenance.
To watch the video and access supplementary resources for this podcast episode, click here.
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